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are a low-cost iphone for emerging markets. shanghai evening news claimed the apple marketing chief steve shiller says the future for apple isn't cheap phones. apple hasn't responded to my request to clarify what shiller said and frankly i don't trust language that's been translated and retranslated. the future of apple isn't cheap ipads but that doesn't stop them from coming out with ipad minis. you can bet they have worked on a phone that would meet their standards and avoid cannibalizing the high-end iphones. if they release one, that's a bigger story. >> apple stock, a buy or a sell? the stock hovering around $500 a share. still well below its all-time high, so is it a buy or not? on the technical side of the story ennis tanner with me with riskreversal.com and on the tech fundamental side, jeff, we'll start with you. >> growth rates in china, it's huge, but i think there's a bigger story here in apple, and we can talk the numbers to death, but there's a transition going on. over the last six years apple has been this hyper growth company with an investor base that included everybody,
'll get much more on the markets coming up, but first steve liesman with breaking news right now. this is the latest read on the u.s. economy. steve, what can you tell us? >> maria, thanks very much. the federal reserve reporting consumer credit for november, consumers in a borrowing mood with consumer credit rising 7%. non-revolving credit, auto, student loans, up by 9.6% with a big rise in student loans. the federal part of this thing was up pretty strongly, and non-revolving credit was up 1.1%. student loans up by $5 billion to a record $521 billion, and outstanding bank credit card was up by 6 billion as well so banks were not shy about alleged on the credit cards. meanwhile, jeff lacquer, fed president saying growth at 2 it is is what is expected for 2013 but 2014 could be stronger with reduced risk and ending some of the financial uncertainties that have -- that he says hobbled growth in 2012. he repeated his opposition to current fed policy and warned that a big fed balance sheet means that the economy is vulnerable to even small mistakes. maria? >> all right. steve, thank
as the main player? >> steve liesman and rick santelli tell us what they think it all means. steve, you first. you recently did, as you know that great interview with tim geithner right here on the "closing bell." how well do you know lew? >> not as well. he was at omb for a brief time, a couple years in this administration, his second go-round there. look, we're learning more about him, and i don't think there's very much mystery here. he would be picked for the job because he's a budget expert, and that also he's a loyalist inside the obama administration and in a place that values loyalty like a lot of white houses, and the question becomes does he have other critical qualifications that say wall street or the international banking and financial system would require, with the big question being, you know, if we were at a place where there was another financial crisis, how well would jack lew, as did robert ruben, hank paulsen and tim geithner do to instill confidence? >> steve, you were right on the money with the jack lew prediction. you and i had this conversation, but i just wonder, you
us along with brian is peter anderson of congress asset management and our own steve leisman and rick santelli. you think it's going to be another good year of gains. target on the s&p 1575. defend it. >> well, we do. i'll remind everyone we were at 1420 last year. we base all of our analysis on fundamentals. >> you were off by a point. >> i'm sorry. >> a whole point. >> seriously. >> i'm sorry. but we think the fundamental condition of u.s. stocks remains very strong. if you take a look at the balance sheet strength, earning stability. fourth quarter earnings i think was a surprise to the upside. companies have been conservative of all these great things. no that we're done with this fiscal cliff situation, i think we do have a bit of wind behind our sails. however, we don't think that 2013 will be as strong as 2012 given the fact that so many people were underexposed stocks in 2012. we've had this kind of natural rotation back in. i think 2013 will be positive. >> but are we really done is the question. we've got the debt ceiling debt bait coming. peter, what's your take? >> well, i
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